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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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the assay

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oh my gosh they're all going against the

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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sphere where the points of the cube

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states

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hi everyone and welcome to a very

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special that ufo podcast

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i'm not going to waste too much time and

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get straight into the interview for this

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one

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uh for a long time i've made no secret

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the top of my wish list for guests on

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this podcast

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would be one mr louise elizondo and i'm

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delighted to see i have lou

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on the podcast with me now welcome to

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the podcast

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thank you very much it's uh certainly my

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honor and privilege um

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i sincerely appreciate your time and of

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course your audience's time as well

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listen uh it's no secret people seek out

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your interviews and they troll through

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them with a fine tooth comb

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to get any little nuggets of information

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they can so hopefully we can get through

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as much

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on this interview as possible the

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response from the listeners has been

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incredible

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um i would just like to preface it by

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saying that i've watched your interviews

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recently with john greenwald on black

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vault

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and ryan sprague somewhere in the skies

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i have tried to stay away from anything

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they talked about because they've done a

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good job with their interviews

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and i would highly suggest and recommend

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people go and seek out those interviews

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for anything that i potentially don't

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cover and i'd like to get straight into

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the first question lou um regarding your

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security clearance this is something a

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lot of people bring up as a source of

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when you can't answer the question in

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the way that they might not like you to

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can you start off just by talking a

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little bit about your clearance that you

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yeah sure so security clearance is i

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think a lot of times over

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complicated uh if if people on the

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outside haven't spent any time in the

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there's this giant mystery behind you

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know a security clearance what it means

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you have here in the united states we

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a from a top secret perspective that

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right non-disclosure agreement that you

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non-disclosure agreement it's far more

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trust and confidence right i represent

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the the people the united states uh they

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can have a lot of things happening to me

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uh because of my security clearance i'm

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just to the us government it was to the

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it's not just to the partner you're

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that's simply by saying well i'm going

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a moment because three years ago when i

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there's a lot of stuff i could have said

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that probably would have saved me a lot

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of grief a lot of sharp shooting by a

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individuals and sources that i've worked

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just to save my ass i'm not that kind of

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guy i never have been i never will be so

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you know i know as as more information

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comes to life people are kind of

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frustrated saying you know lou why

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why didn't you just say this three years

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ago or two years ago you know

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and all this guesswork that we had to do

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well because i'm not that kind of guy

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i'm not just going to go ahead and say

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just to save my credibility that's not

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what this endeavor is about it's not

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satisfying the idle curiosity of people

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never has been this is a much more

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and if that truth the cost of telling

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the truth is at my own expense

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as i've said before then that's that's

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do whatever i have to do to have that

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he asked if you believe the us

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that clearance in mind

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well because i'm not saying the

290
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specifics i'm not saying where it is

291
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where it's from

292
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uh who collected it uh remember what

293
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he said he said do you believe that the

294
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u.s government

295
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has material in its possession well he's

296
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asking me my

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my personal opinion uh and and i can i

298
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can provide my personal opinion in that

299
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regard i'm allowed to based upon the

300
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information i saw

301
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i i can say that because he's not asking

302
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me to say

303
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something to the effect of um for

304
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example

305
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who collected the material where is it

306
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being stored under whose authorities and

307
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auspices what are its capabilities what

308
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is it

309
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specifically made out of that's not what

310
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the question was he just simply asked me

311
00:10:17,430 --> 00:10:15,680
do you believe

312
00:10:18,870 --> 00:10:17,440
there is recovered material anything

313
00:10:21,590 --> 00:10:18,880
beyond that

314
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other than what i believe now becomes

315
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stated fact

316
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and now i have to be careful because

317
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that stated fact is based upon knowledge

318
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that i had as as as a employee of the us

319
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government and that's why i was very

320
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specific when i said

321
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you know i have to be careful what i say

322
00:10:38,389 --> 00:10:36,720
here i i

323
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i take a minute and i have to pause and

324
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have to think about it because

325
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you know it's a it's a very fine line

326
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there's there's a there's a ledge there

327
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and i'm tiptoeing pretty close to that

328
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ledge and i you know

329
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one word just one wrong word and

330
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i'm i'm gonna be over the edge and uh

331
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you know

332
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it things can get very complicated for

333
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me

334
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counterintelligence helps you tip to

335
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that edge pretty well

336
00:11:06,710 --> 00:11:04,399
um and it seems to have worked for you

337
00:11:08,870 --> 00:11:06,720
so far um it's been well documented

338
00:11:10,150 --> 00:11:08,880
since you're parting of ways with ttsa

339
00:11:11,670 --> 00:11:10,160
that it's been amicable and you've got a

340
00:11:12,790 --> 00:11:11,680
lot of friends there and you enjoyed

341
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your time there

342
00:11:17,030 --> 00:11:14,800
since then have you been able to hold on

343
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to any projects you were involved with

344
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at the time with ttsa that you can

345
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continue to work on

346
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what a good question very very

347
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insightful thank you for asking that

348
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question

349
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the answer is a wholehearted yes uh

350
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there are efforts within ttsa that i'm

351
00:11:36,389 --> 00:11:33,120
still

352
00:11:37,670 --> 00:11:36,399
very much engaged with that ttsa now

353
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that it's refocusing

354
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uh to the entertainment piece um i have

355
00:11:45,190 --> 00:11:42,240
the ability to

356
00:11:45,829 --> 00:11:45,200
run with some of these other efforts uh

357
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in a way

358
00:11:51,990 --> 00:11:49,040
that doesn't interfere uh

359
00:11:52,629 --> 00:11:52,000
or or complicate what ttsa is trying to

360
00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:52,639
achieve

361
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and at the same time allows me the

362
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flexibility to as i've said before

363
00:12:03,430 --> 00:12:00,000
shift into second gear basically uh

364
00:12:05,509 --> 00:12:03,440
move this effort now into phase two

365
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any specifics around those that you can

366
00:12:13,990 --> 00:12:11,350
um not at this moment i think

367
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very very soon it'll be clear um the

368
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reason why i don't want to talk about it

369
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is because

370
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they're in a delicate state of um of

371
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development

372
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and what i don't want to do is say

373
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something right now prematurely

374
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and you know let's say there's an

375
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organization out there that's very

376
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interested in partnering with us to

377
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bring this capability to full maturity

378
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right

379
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i don't want to do anything to spook the

380
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herd um this is still

381
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i mean it's still a very it's still very

382
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controversial topic that we're dealing

383
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with we're talking about uaps

384
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and frankly we're just now getting to

385
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the point where i think it's becoming

386
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more accepted

387
00:12:51,829 --> 00:12:50,000
but but we haven't achieved that that

388
00:12:53,030 --> 00:12:51,839
state of normalcy yet that we're all

389
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looking for so

390
00:12:56,550 --> 00:12:54,959
i have to be careful stigma and taboo is

391
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still a very

392
00:13:00,550 --> 00:12:58,880
significant part of this conversation

393
00:13:01,990 --> 00:13:00,560
and i have to tread very lightly and

394
00:13:03,670 --> 00:13:02,000
delicately sometimes

395
00:13:05,430 --> 00:13:03,680
when you talk about stigma and taboo

396
00:13:05,990 --> 00:13:05,440
normally with most people talking about

397
00:13:07,430 --> 00:13:06,000
that with me

398
00:13:09,350 --> 00:13:07,440
in this subject i would say that you

399
00:13:10,870 --> 00:13:09,360
know that you can't tell me anything

400
00:13:12,470 --> 00:13:10,880
better but given who i'm talking with

401
00:13:14,710 --> 00:13:12,480
you probably can and given what your

402
00:13:17,110 --> 00:13:14,720
line of work's been in the past as well

403
00:13:19,509 --> 00:13:17,120
as part of those changes at ttsa steve

404
00:13:21,030 --> 00:13:19,519
justice and chris melon also left

405
00:13:22,949 --> 00:13:21,040
what is your relationship with those

406
00:13:25,350 --> 00:13:22,959
gentlemen today and do you still plan to

407
00:13:28,790 --> 00:13:25,360
collaborate on projects with them

408
00:13:30,230 --> 00:13:28,800
oh yeah daily uh we should be no

409
00:13:33,590 --> 00:13:30,240
surprise that

410
00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:33,600
we are in very uh close collaboration

411
00:13:36,389 --> 00:13:35,040
proximity from a perspective of

412
00:13:38,389 --> 00:13:36,399
collaboration uh

413
00:13:39,910 --> 00:13:38,399
there's very little daylight in fact uh

414
00:13:44,150 --> 00:13:39,920
i speak to to

415
00:13:46,550 --> 00:13:44,160
chris um on uh on a on a daily basis

416
00:13:48,550 --> 00:13:46,560
uh we are working very hard together

417
00:13:50,230 --> 00:13:48,560
this has been a really

418
00:13:51,590 --> 00:13:50,240
and forgive me for saying this because

419
00:13:52,870 --> 00:13:51,600
people i think are going to look into

420
00:13:54,949 --> 00:13:52,880
this and they're going to

421
00:13:56,389 --> 00:13:54,959
misconstrue what i'm saying um they're

422
00:13:57,590 --> 00:13:56,399
going to say i see you i told you he was

423
00:14:01,269 --> 00:13:57,600
manipulating

424
00:14:02,949 --> 00:14:01,279
um chris and i chris is

425
00:14:05,110 --> 00:14:02,959
is absolutely the epitome of a

426
00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:05,120
strategist he's probably one of the most

427
00:14:09,350 --> 00:14:06,720
intelligent human beings i have

428
00:14:10,310 --> 00:14:09,360
ever met and i've met a lot of smart

429
00:14:12,710 --> 00:14:10,320
people

430
00:14:13,990 --> 00:14:12,720
um we have been running this for the

431
00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:14,000
last three years very much like you

432
00:14:16,949 --> 00:14:15,760
would a military or an intelligence

433
00:14:19,269 --> 00:14:16,959
campaign

434
00:14:20,790 --> 00:14:19,279
there's five pillars of emphasis that we

435
00:14:23,189 --> 00:14:20,800
have been focusing on

436
00:14:24,710 --> 00:14:23,199
and none of these pillars can ever

437
00:14:25,509 --> 00:14:24,720
become taller than the other think of

438
00:14:28,310 --> 00:14:25,519
putting a roof

439
00:14:29,509 --> 00:14:28,320
on on a house right you can't have one

440
00:14:31,110 --> 00:14:29,519
side of the house

441
00:14:33,670 --> 00:14:31,120
taller than the other sides because the

442
00:14:34,389 --> 00:14:33,680
roof gets cockeyed so the five pillars

443
00:14:35,829 --> 00:14:34,399
are

444
00:14:37,990 --> 00:14:35,839
the first one has been legislative

445
00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:38,000
engagement and that's in making sure

446
00:14:41,829 --> 00:14:40,240
that our our senior elected officials in

447
00:14:45,829 --> 00:14:41,839
this country the committees

448
00:14:47,590 --> 00:14:45,839
are properly briefed into the phenomenon

449
00:14:49,829 --> 00:14:47,600
the next pillar has been senior

450
00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:49,839
executive uh engagement

451
00:14:53,670 --> 00:14:51,120
on the executive branch senior

452
00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:53,680
leadership so um that would be engaging

453
00:14:56,870 --> 00:14:55,600
those individuals in the executive

454
00:14:58,870 --> 00:14:56,880
branch

455
00:15:00,629 --> 00:14:58,880
that need to be briefed so for example

456
00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:00,639
um everybody knows that in the last

457
00:15:03,430 --> 00:15:02,160
administration the president had been

458
00:15:05,350 --> 00:15:03,440
briefed a few times

459
00:15:06,790 --> 00:15:05,360
the secretary of defense secretary of

460
00:15:08,389 --> 00:15:06,800
defense was briefed

461
00:15:10,710 --> 00:15:08,399
um you know the former director of the

462
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:10,720
cia so it's now coming to light that

463
00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:12,399
these people were briefed so that was

464
00:15:16,230 --> 00:15:14,320
the second pillar executive

465
00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:16,240
engagement executive level of engagement

466
00:15:18,949 --> 00:15:17,360
the third pillar

467
00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:18,959
has been international engagement

468
00:15:24,150 --> 00:15:21,040
engaging those friends and allies

469
00:15:24,550 --> 00:15:24,160
in other countries are counterparts that

470
00:15:26,310 --> 00:15:24,560
are

471
00:15:27,590 --> 00:15:26,320
interested in having this conversation

472
00:15:28,870 --> 00:15:27,600
they're seeing something too they never

473
00:15:30,710 --> 00:15:28,880
really wanted to say anything but now

474
00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:30,720
that the u.s has stepped forward

475
00:15:34,470 --> 00:15:32,240
they can reach forward and say hey you

476
00:15:35,430 --> 00:15:34,480
know we'd like to talk to you about this

477
00:15:37,189 --> 00:15:35,440
topic because

478
00:15:38,470 --> 00:15:37,199
we've we've got some questions like you

479
00:15:39,749 --> 00:15:38,480
saw with japan

480
00:15:41,670 --> 00:15:39,759
recently and they've come out and

481
00:15:43,269 --> 00:15:41,680
established a relationship with the

482
00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:43,279
united states for the explicit purposes

483
00:15:46,069 --> 00:15:43,920
of sharing

484
00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:46,079
uap information i mean that's a big deal

485
00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:46,959
right

486
00:15:50,629 --> 00:15:48,720
and then the fourth pillar is media

487
00:15:52,790 --> 00:15:50,639
engagement making sure that mainstream

488
00:15:56,389 --> 00:15:52,800
media has enough information

489
00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:56,399
um so they know they can have a a a an

490
00:15:59,430 --> 00:15:58,000
elevated conversation about the topic

491
00:16:00,790 --> 00:15:59,440
we're no longer talking about

492
00:16:02,310 --> 00:16:00,800
tin foil hats and elvis on the

493
00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:02,320
mothership we're talking about science

494
00:16:08,310 --> 00:16:04,160
we're talking about quantum physics

495
00:16:10,150 --> 00:16:08,320
we're talking about about a real

496
00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:10,160
issue that we have right now something

497
00:16:12,949 --> 00:16:11,680
that is in our skies we don't know what

498
00:16:14,069 --> 00:16:12,959
it is we don't know where it's from we

499
00:16:15,749 --> 00:16:14,079
don't really know how it works and

500
00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:15,759
there's not much we can do about it

501
00:16:19,110 --> 00:16:17,920
um that's that's that's that's a tough

502
00:16:21,670 --> 00:16:19,120
discussion to have

503
00:16:22,629 --> 00:16:21,680
and media is finally taking it seriously

504
00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:22,639
um despite this

505
00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:24,720
you know 70 some odd years of of

506
00:16:28,230 --> 00:16:26,000
ridicule and

507
00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:28,240
and bad hollywood movies about the topic

508
00:16:33,189 --> 00:16:29,680
and then the fifth pillar is

509
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:33,199
is is engaging the masses engaging

510
00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:36,959
people and that is critically important

511
00:16:40,470 --> 00:16:38,720
and so let me dissect a little bit about

512
00:16:42,230 --> 00:16:40,480
the five pillars you don't ever want

513
00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:42,240
your legislative branch to get ahead of

514
00:16:45,430 --> 00:16:43,040
the ball

515
00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:45,440
uh beyond your executive branch because

516
00:16:48,310 --> 00:16:46,720
it takes both of them you have people

517
00:16:49,110 --> 00:16:48,320
making laws and then people executing

518
00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:49,120
laws so

519
00:16:52,230 --> 00:16:50,399
so you never want to make sure that

520
00:16:53,189 --> 00:16:52,240
either the conservatives or liberals or

521
00:16:54,790 --> 00:16:53,199
anybody else

522
00:16:56,790 --> 00:16:54,800
has more information the other side this

523
00:16:58,629 --> 00:16:56,800
is a nonpartisan issue

524
00:16:59,990 --> 00:16:58,639
it's everybody gets the same amount of

525
00:17:00,550 --> 00:17:00,000
information if you have the security

526
00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:00,560
clearance

527
00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:02,880
and you're in a position of authority

528
00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:04,799
then at the same time

529
00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:07,199
when we talk about the media engagement

530
00:17:10,150 --> 00:17:08,480
and public engagement

531
00:17:11,669 --> 00:17:10,160
that's critically important because both

532
00:17:12,549 --> 00:17:11,679
the executive branch and legislative

533
00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:12,559
branch

534
00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:15,520
are responsive to the people period full

535
00:17:19,110 --> 00:17:16,079
stop

536
00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:19,120
meaning ultimately we serve

537
00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:21,919
the people not the other way around the

538
00:17:24,309 --> 00:17:23,360
the people do not serve the government

539
00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:24,319
the government serves

540
00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:26,160
the people that is in our constitution

541
00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:27,919
and anybody who's forgotten that

542
00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:29,280
shouldn't be in government

543
00:17:33,590 --> 00:17:31,520
so it is important that the people have

544
00:17:36,549 --> 00:17:33,600
as much information as they can

545
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:36,559
to then enable their leadership as we've

546
00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:38,400
been seeing right now this tremendous

547
00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:40,400
effort within ufo twitter to engage

548
00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:42,960
members of congress to engage the media

549
00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:45,600
it's working it's working it's it's

550
00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:46,720
people say well you're not sharing

551
00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:48,160
classified information no but i don't

552
00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:49,200
have to

553
00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:52,640
we're we are achieving more with this

554
00:17:56,470 --> 00:17:54,160
grassroots effort

555
00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:56,480
um than ever by me just going and

556
00:17:58,630 --> 00:17:57,840
briefing congress at the classified

557
00:18:00,950 --> 00:17:58,640
level

558
00:18:02,390 --> 00:18:00,960
all of this has to happen simultaneously

559
00:18:05,669 --> 00:18:02,400
it has to be deliberate

560
00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:05,679
it has to be strategic uh and it has to

561
00:18:09,990 --> 00:18:06,320
be

562
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:10,000
purposeful and and i think um

563
00:18:13,909 --> 00:18:12,320
you know it's if people were to realize

564
00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:13,919
just spend a day in our shoes they'd

565
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:15,200
realize

566
00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:17,280
it's not that easy i mean it's it's

567
00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:18,559
tough and

568
00:18:21,669 --> 00:18:20,080
you know a lot of the playbook where

569
00:18:23,510 --> 00:18:21,679
we're writing as as

570
00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:23,520
as we're doing it's kind of like

571
00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:25,200
building an airplane while you're flying

572
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:25,760
it

573
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:31,360
really can't there's a

574
00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:33,039
there's a lot of smart people that are

575
00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:34,640
working this effort behind the scenes

576
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:36,160
both inside the government

577
00:18:46,549 --> 00:18:43,840
and outside the government

578
00:18:48,230 --> 00:18:46,559
oh we'll give it a second sorry man you

579
00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:48,240
know that so that's okay that's dan's

580
00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:49,679
going to note that one down for us just

581
00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:50,160
roughly

582
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:51,840
okay sorry i had someone trying to call

583
00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:54,640
me through so i apologize that's okay uh

584
00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:56,320
it's it's you know we make mistakes all

585
00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:58,640
the time um but this is why

586
00:19:02,230 --> 00:19:01,200
once again ufo twitter so important

587
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:02,240
because

588
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:04,320
you guys have a lot of great ideas a lot

589
00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:06,000
of things that we don't think about

590
00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:08,080
and on a daily basis as i'm reading

591
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:09,280
through the twitter sphere i'm not

592
00:19:11,190 --> 00:19:10,559
reading comments while people think

593
00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:11,200
about me

594
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:12,880
quite frankly i don't give a [\h__\h] what

595
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:14,799
people think about me what i care is how

596
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:16,559
people are taking the topic

597
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:18,320
and if they have any new ideas and

598
00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:20,320
insights and it's valuable

599
00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:22,000
it's paying off we're able to then take

600
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:24,080
some of those ideas formulate them into

601
00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:24,880
a strategy

602
00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:26,720
and then execute those strategies in a

603
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:28,559
very meaningful meaningful purposeful

604
00:19:30,549 --> 00:19:28,960
way

605
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:30,559
whether we're dealing with congress or

606
00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:32,000
the u.s government or foreign

607
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:33,840
governments or the media

608
00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:35,600
and that's great to hear and i would

609
00:19:39,270 --> 00:19:37,600
encourage people in the uk particularly

610
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:39,280
which the the conversations

611
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:41,679
poor to non-existent to check out a uap

612
00:19:44,789 --> 00:19:43,280
media uk which is something we are

613
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:44,799
trying to help with from a media

614
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:46,799
perspective in the uk as well

615
00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:49,840
now shifting attack slightly low i want

616
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:51,679
to ask you about your trip to pick up

617
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:53,360
materials from the bledsoes

618
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:55,200
now the bledsoes are a family with an

619
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:57,440
immense interest particularly in the ufo

620
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:58,720
uap community

621
00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:00,400
are you still in contact with krishna's

622
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:02,080
family and what's the status of the

623
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:03,600
project there

624
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:05,039
you know chris is a wonderful gentleman

625
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:06,960
i've had the the pleasure of meeting him

626
00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:07,520
twice

627
00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:11,039
uh in person um that meeting was really

628
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:12,240
facilitated through

629
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:14,960
one of my former colleagues at the time

630
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:17,200
tom delonge and jim semivam

631
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:20,559
um i you know i i cannot

632
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:23,200
substantiate publicly uh the claims i

633
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:25,360
have i believe uh in my heart of hearts

634
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:27,039
that they truly believe

635
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:28,400
what they're experiencing and at the

636
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,640
same time it actually may be correct

637
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:32,400
i don't know the problem is it's it's

638
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:34,240
very subjective uh

639
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:36,880
which a lot of stuff is in this field is

640
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:38,000
subjective so

641
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:40,640
so i'm not saying that it's it's true or

642
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:42,400
it's not true what i'm simply saying is

643
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:42,960
that

644
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:45,440
at the end of the day we have to use

645
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:46,960
methodologies that can

646
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:49,280
that that conform to the scientific

647
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:50,400
principles

648
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:52,960
of of science and that means you know

649
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:54,640
peer review and this has to be

650
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:55,360
repeatable

651
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:57,360
and and things like that otherwise it's

652
00:21:01,590 --> 00:20:58,799
just anecdotal

653
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:01,600
again i'm not i'm not diminishing the

654
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:02,400
value

655
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:04,400
or the reality of what they are

656
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:05,840
experiencing

657
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:08,000
i'm pretty certain there's a lot a lot

658
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:10,159
of strange things happening there

659
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:12,799
very similar to skinwalker ranch but the

660
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:14,240
problem is i have to remain

661
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:16,640
focused i have to remain focused on on

662
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:17,600
the uap

663
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:20,880
issue that we're dealing with right now

664
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:22,240
and people just say well it is related

665
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:24,159
well okay fine but again i've got no

666
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:25,919
data to prove that

667
00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:28,480
you know i don't know what's going on

668
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:29,919
over there regarding the blood cells

669
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:31,919
other than what's been reported

670
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:36,000
and so for me um you know i'm not saying

671
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,120
it's it's not valid or relevant

672
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:41,360
i just don't have enough data yet to to

673
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:43,200
make any type of conclusive

674
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:46,320
uh decision if it fits into the calculus

675
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:47,360
of the effort we're on

676
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,120
because i can't go to kang a member of

677
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:51,120
congress or a senior member of the

678
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:52,720
executive department and say

679
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:54,080
oh by the way these people are having

680
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:55,919
these these paranormal experiences over

681
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:58,159
there we should listen to them

682
00:22:01,270 --> 00:22:00,480
that that's not going to get me very far

683
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:01,280
i have to

684
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:03,039
you know what what's what's so i think

685
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,480
compelling about the uap

686
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:06,400
issue is that you have human beings

687
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:07,840
which are trained observers right think

688
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:08,960
of a human being as no

689
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,960
no different than any other intelligence

690
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,720
collection system

691
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:14,400
so you have human beings that are that

692
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:16,640
are that are identifying something

693
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,360
occurring

694
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:19,200
which is backed up then and collected on

695
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:21,039
electro optical data like gun camera

696
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,520
footage

697
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:23,760
which is also backed up by by

698
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:26,000
electromagnetic information like radar

699
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:27,919
right and all of a sudden you know you

700
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:30,400
have three different separate collection

701
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:33,200
capabilities all looking at the same

702
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,600
thing

703
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,840
at the same time in the same place under

704
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:37,600
the same circumstances

705
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:39,919
that's data that i can i can then

706
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:42,080
present in a meaningful way

707
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:45,200
to decision makers that that is is a

708
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:45,840
much

709
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:48,880
um easier approach

710
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,080
at least for me and my colleagues to

711
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:54,000
to achieve mission success and again i

712
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,400
don't want to disparage in any way

713
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,960
uh the blood cells or anybody else who

714
00:23:01,350 --> 00:23:00,480
has their own personal experiences

715
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:01,360
because that's why they're called

716
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:02,640
personal experiences

717
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:05,679
they're personal um but

718
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:07,840
but right now i can't include that in my

719
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:09,840
calculus it's a lovely family very

720
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,960
wonderful family

721
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:12,960
and i have no reason to believe that

722
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:15,039
that mr bledsoe or his family

723
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:18,559
are lying or deceiving in any way um

724
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:20,960
but again that data just i can't

725
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,679
incorporate it into the current calculus

726
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:25,679
that i'm using if that makes sense

727
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:27,520
absolutely and you mentioned skin walker

728
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,640
ranch now i've

729
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:30,480
spoken with brandon fugal and he'll be

730
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:32,000
on the podcast soon hopefully

731
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,360
um himself bob bigelow both former and

732
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:37,200
president owner of skinwalker ranch

733
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,400
have had their own scientific

734
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,400
experiments going on and

735
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:42,240
some data released you know a good tv

736
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:43,840
show has come out as part of that as

737
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:46,000
well which the second season is juicing

738
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:47,760
but they are still ongoing scientific

739
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,840
experience experiences and experiments

740
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:51,440
sorry

741
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:53,360
they have both said and others around

742
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,120
skinwalker ranch that it comes with

743
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:57,120
somewhat of a sticky portfolio

744
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:59,200
and this topic and subject if you want

745
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:01,279
to put the phenomena under an umbrella

746
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:03,440
have you ever had any experiences like

747
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:06,000
that yourself

748
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:09,360
uh wow

749
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:11,600
again great question uh and one

750
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:12,960
unfortunately

751
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,840
i'm gonna politely sidestep at this time

752
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:18,960
um

753
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:22,159
was many years ago

754
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:25,440
and uh a lot of uh effort and

755
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:29,120
talent was put into that um i am aware

756
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:32,640
of of what they were doing

757
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,440
but i think that's i think probably i

758
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:37,760
think i'll sidestep this question

759
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:40,880
because um i

760
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,880
really am not the right guy to answer

761
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,640
that question you just

762
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,640
asked me have i had any personal

763
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,240
experiences

764
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:50,320
if i did or i did not i'm not sure if

765
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:51,840
that impacts

766
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,320
um the ongoing effort right now that

767
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:55,919
we're engaged with

768
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:57,039
and i don't you know i don't want to

769
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,080
prejudice the jury it's important as

770
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,559
an investigator i try to remain as as

771
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:04,559
fair and impartial and objective as

772
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:05,919
possible

773
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:09,760
and introducing uh my own personal

774
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:12,480
feelings or beliefs or observations

775
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:13,039
about

776
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:17,039
that um you know i i i'm not sure is is

777
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:17,919
overly helpful

778
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:20,320
um i'd probably rely on individuals that

779
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:22,559
were more involved with that effort

780
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:25,120
to to answer that question that's what

781
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:26,720
i'll say for part three or part four

782
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:27,279
with

783
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,039
zondo and years to come potentially and

784
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:31,760
ask that again there you go

785
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,520
can you talk on the work you are doing

786
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:35,039
with uh are you going to be doing with

787
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,880
the lakota tribe uh there seems to be a

788
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:38,240
strong connection between native

789
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:39,440
american tribes

790
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:42,880
and the phenomena itself

791
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:44,720
well damn once again you're asking great

792
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:46,159
questions and i'll answer that one

793
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,159
um yes i we are absolutely

794
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:53,039
engaged in that effort let's not forget

795
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:53,760
that the

796
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:55,520
the first nations of saskatchewan and

797
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,320
all frankly most indigenous peoples

798
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:01,039
um have oral traditions that go back in

799
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:02,240
some cases

800
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:03,840
thousands and thousands of years

801
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:07,360
pre-history from our perspective

802
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:10,240
and to very much the same that an f-18

803
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:12,880
pilot is a trained observer

804
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:16,799
uh when flying a combat mission um

805
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:19,039
indigenous people are trained observers

806
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:20,159
when it comes to

807
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:24,000
their land and um although it might come

808
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,480
from a

809
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:26,400
slightly different paradigm than we're

810
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,480
used to in the western world

811
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,880
uh indigenous people have a profound

812
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:32,480
sense of history

813
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:35,760
and uh that that it is it is that

814
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,039
history

815
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:40,000
that we are very curious to see if we

816
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:42,799
can see some of the same patterns

817
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:46,240
that we see in um in the current effort

818
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,279
regarding ayton

819
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:49,760
but even more importantly than that i

820
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,159
think i think all indigenous people have

821
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:54,880
have lessons that we can learn from i

822
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:55,440
think we

823
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,919
in it we live in a very materialistic

824
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:58,799
world

825
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:01,120
uh that is heavily dependent upon

826
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:02,320
technology

827
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:05,600
and um you know indigenous people

828
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,919
for for millennia have gotten along just

829
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,279
fine without it

830
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:12,000
and uh their their sense of government

831
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:13,520
and their sense of organization their

832
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:15,120
sense of fairness

833
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:18,720
uh is is truly profound and i think

834
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:21,919
if we can show the world

835
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:25,679
just a little bit of that beauty uh

836
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,159
we we might be better off we might be

837
00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:30,159
better off as a civilization we might be

838
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:32,840
better off as a race as a species

839
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:35,360
um i'm not going to go into detail but

840
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:35,919
when i

841
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:39,520
of going up and meeting

842
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,039
the the chief and the elders of

843
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:46,080
of the bands um with the lakota dakota

844
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:47,760
bands that they'd prefer to be

845
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,279
called bands it was a

846
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,120
it was a profound experience for me it

847
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:55,840
was it was um

848
00:28:02,470 --> 00:27:59,279
it was an epiphany i learned

849
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:02,480
so much in that brief time i had with

850
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:03,760
them and again i

851
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,440
i don't want to share the specific

852
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,960
instances because

853
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:08,960
i would like to eventually provide that

854
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:11,279
in a much more professional manner

855
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:15,120
uh for everybody to see but um it was

856
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:19,679
it was not nothing less than

857
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:23,520
soul shaking and i mean that sincerely

858
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:26,559
uh i i realize there's a whole another

859
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:27,279
aspect

860
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:30,559
to humanity that we have seen

861
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:33,919
to forget and indigenous people have

862
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,640
despite the challenges they have faced

863
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:38,960
over the years whether it's disease

864
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:42,240
or or being moved against their will to

865
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,520
reservations

866
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:45,840
and the hardships and the discrimination

867
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:46,960
that they have faced

868
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:49,520
over and over again somehow they were

869
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:51,760
able to maintain

870
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:55,039
their dignity and and their humanity

871
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:00,159
and um for me it was a

872
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:03,279
it was an understanding of resilience

873
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:05,919
and that the that there is an indelible

874
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:07,039
part of the human being

875
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:08,799
whether you call it the soul or the id

876
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:10,080
or the chi or whatever

877
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,080
whatever non-du jour you want to give it

878
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:13,919
there's an element beyond the

879
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,799
the biomass of a human body and beyond

880
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:18,480
the electrical synapses of the human

881
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,000
brain and the intellect

882
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:22,480
that makes each and every one of us

883
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:23,440
distinct

884
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,960
and and i learned that um

885
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,880
there's there's there's great beauty in

886
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:30,080
that and

887
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:31,840
um you know coming from up from a hard

888
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,200
investigator who

889
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:35,120
has been always just a fax ma'am kind of

890
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:37,360
guy you know there's another aspect to

891
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:38,799
being human here

892
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,840
that um not just me but maybe

893
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,360
maybe other people have forgotten as

894
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:45,840
well and so i want to be able to

895
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:48,159
to tell that that story in a very

896
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:49,279
elevated way

897
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,960
and share that with other people and see

898
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:52,480
if they have the same

899
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,440
you know same reaction that that i did i

900
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:56,799
would look forward to that coming to

901
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:57,679
fruition and

902
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:58,960
i think people would be screaming at

903
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:01,120
their podcast devices just now

904
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:02,559
on a lot of different questions we could

905
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:04,080
go off in a tangent with their button

906
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:05,279
we'll see if they'll save those for

907
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:06,320
another day

908
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:08,159
i've made no secret for a long time on

909
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:09,679
this podcast lou uh i

910
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:12,320
i'm a huge fan of unidentified um the

911
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:13,840
tournament struck was perfect it was

912
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:14,960
something i was very much looking

913
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,840
forward to

914
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:17,600
um given it seems now there'll be no

915
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:20,320
season three um can you speak about what

916
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:22,000
you would have liked that to look like

917
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,679
and i would also like you to comment i

918
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:25,600
interviewed antelipe producer of the

919
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:26,080
show

920
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,760
and he mentioned on my interview with

921
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:29,520
him that there had been contact with

922
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,720
people from nasa

923
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,399
who just weren't quite ready to go on

924
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:34,559
the record uh could you comment on that

925
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,200
as well

926
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:37,840
yeah so the two questions um what would

927
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:39,760
i like to see in episode three nothing

928
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,760
um but the answer is simply put nothing

929
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,919
we we made a decision chris mellon and i

930
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:45,520
early on that we only wanted to do two

931
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:46,480
seasons

932
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:49,679
um that was it was a short relationship

933
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:51,679
with history channel they agreed

934
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:54,480
this was never intended to be a long

935
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:55,679
protracted show

936
00:31:02,470 --> 00:30:59,039
where we just artificially generate

937
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:02,480
material for the sake of having a show

938
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:05,840
we it was a target of opportunity uh

939
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,159
that was never meant to be enduring uh

940
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,080
we are now working on some of these

941
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:12,640
those enduring capabilities but as we

942
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:13,360
shift from

943
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,519
from you know phase one to phase two or

944
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:17,440
first gear to second gear

945
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,399
history had its role and it was very

946
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,480
impactful and it did exactly what we

947
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,000
intended it to do

948
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:26,880
but make no mistake the history channel

949
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:27,360
uh

950
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,960
effort was not ever it was never

951
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:30,640
intended to be a long-term

952
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:34,000
uh effort for us it was always a

953
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:35,360
short term it was to get the

954
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,039
conversation going

955
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,760
and then depending how that went move on

956
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:40,960
to something else

957
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:43,440
um so that's that's the first part the

958
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:45,039
second part you asked me about anthony

959
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:45,600
lepay

960
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,799
and people from nasa look i get emails

961
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:50,640
every day it's not just nasa it's nasa

962
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,799
it's faa it's department of energy

963
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:54,880
very very senior people now are finally

964
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:56,799
coming forward

965
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:59,519
and wanting to have this conversation i

966
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,840
think it's uh

967
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:04,080
and i think it's a good thing um anthony

968
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:05,600
lepay is absolutely right but we also

969
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:07,120
have people from other countries

970
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:08,559
and senior officials in their

971
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:10,159
intelligence community

972
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:11,760
and their government apparatus coming

973
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:14,240
forward and that's i think

974
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:15,760
i think it's indicative of the sign of

975
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,559
the times the conversation is shifting

976
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,640
and again i want to go back to the ufo

977
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:22,080
twitter world because that's in large

978
00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:23,120
part because of you

979
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:26,840
of what you're doing i'm only one voice

980
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:29,760
but you guys are many and

981
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:32,240
i i think the beauty about this uh is

982
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:33,919
that we are no longer

983
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,840
uh a a if you will an enclave

984
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:39,760
i think what you're seeing with ufo

985
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:42,080
twitter it's is very quickly becoming an

986
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:42,880
army

987
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:45,840
uh and that's that's that's a lot

988
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:49,200
different it's not a it's becoming a

989
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:50,640
i don't know if i want to say the word

990
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:52,880
movement because it's used too much

991
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,679
and movements can sometimes use to be to

992
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,960
do bad things

993
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,559
just like they can to be used to do good

994
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:00,720
things but in my case

995
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:03,919
i think i think the ufo

996
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,200
twitter universe has has

997
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,960
helped tremendously in this effort and

998
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,799
it's getting people to come out

999
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:12,640
and talk when you look on twitter i know

1000
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,039
for an absolute fact there are several

1001
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:17,360
pseudo handles on there that are very

1002
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,880
senior government officials that i

1003
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,240
personally know

1004
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:22,559
and they create these fake accounts just

1005
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:24,240
so they can get a pulse so they can so

1006
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:24,720
they can

1007
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:28,000
monitor what's going on and that's

1008
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,840
that's remarkable you are helping

1009
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,919
influence right now

1010
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:34,000
the conversation here in the united

1011
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:35,760
states that's amazing

1012
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:38,880
so by the way let me for uh um also

1013
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:40,960
if i can apologize real quick you hear

1014
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:43,039
me kind of inhaling a lot um i recently

1015
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,320
got over covet so

1016
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:46,720
i i still have a little bit of a short

1017
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,840
breath the shortness of breath i

1018
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:49,679
apologize if it comes across that i just

1019
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:51,760
finished running a marathon actually

1020
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:53,200
feels like i just did

1021
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:56,240
uh so i i apologize i i promise you

1022
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:59,120
uh i'm i'm not uh working out secretly

1023
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,919
you know

1024
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:01,519
the table here and trying to get my

1025
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:04,000
exercise in i just unfortunately it's

1026
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:06,240
it's part of the um you know the covet

1027
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,679
no absolutely glad you're glad you've

1028
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:09,119
recovered from that as well and

1029
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:10,639
you've made no secret you have a petrol

1030
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:13,119
head you talk about gear one to gear to

1031
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:15,200
um would it be fair if unidentified was

1032
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:16,560
part of the first gear

1033
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,200
that the untitled uap project sean

1034
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:21,119
cahill jeremy mcgivern and you've been

1035
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,839
involved in

1036
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:22,960
with some of the other guys and

1037
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:26,000
producers would be part of second gear

1038
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:27,919
yes absolutely and there's other other

1039
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:29,919
efforts as well that's just one

1040
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:32,480
uh we have multiple verticals that we're

1041
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:33,520
looking at

1042
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,000
to continue the conversation in a much

1043
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:38,320
more impactful broad way now that the

1044
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:40,879
topic has finally been taken seriously

1045
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:44,560
uh i think uh throughout many parts of

1046
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,280
the world

1047
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:47,359
the time is to put this into into a

1048
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:48,320
higher gear

1049
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:49,839
and really as i've always said push the

1050
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,679
pedal to the metal

1051
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:53,280
i know you don't normally speak for

1052
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:54,480
other people but i'm going to quote

1053
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:55,520
someone here and just ask

1054
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:56,720
for your thoughts at the end of

1055
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:59,200
unidentified season two chris melin had

1056
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:00,240
a rather lovely

1057
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:03,520
monologue to finish off um he said

1058
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:06,320
that the tech is not ours not russia's

1059
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:06,720
and not

1060
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,680
china's does this for you definitively

1061
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:12,240
put to bed the notion that uep

1062
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:17,839
um they're not made by human hands

1063
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:20,640
look in order to have a conversation

1064
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:21,520
with people

1065
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:24,160
you don't need the elephant in one bite

1066
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,520
you have to you have to

1067
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:27,920
eat it in bite-size consumable pieces

1068
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:30,160
that you can then digest otherwise

1069
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,119
you're gonna choke

1070
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:33,839
um i've said it for the record before we

1071
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:34,240
are

1072
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:39,119
we're pretty damn sure it's not

1073
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:42,320
foreign um you know i i don't know how

1074
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:45,200
more clear to say that this is

1075
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,480
this is not our technology um if it was

1076
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,480
i i don't think you'd be seeing this

1077
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,680
kind of effort first of all we would

1078
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,520
have figured it out a long time ago

1079
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,960
that this is some sort of russian or

1080
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:56,640
chinese technology right

1081
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,920
and then we would have had a counter

1082
00:36:02,790 --> 00:35:59,760
technology very quickly

1083
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:02,800
uh you know it

1084
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:05,520
no it's it's not ours and i i know it's

1085
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:07,839
uneasy for people to think about that

1086
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:10,720
uh but it's okay because it's been here

1087
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:11,680
for a while

1088
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,520
and we're still here and religions

1089
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:14,960
haven't collapsed and and

1090
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:17,280
governments haven't imploded uh this is

1091
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,880
just another wondrous mystery of the

1092
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,000
universe

1093
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:22,320
and with that comes some some hope and

1094
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:24,079
opportunity but also you know

1095
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:27,359
we have to exercise some some some

1096
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:30,560
due diligence and and pragmatic

1097
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,880
caution here you know i i'm not the kind

1098
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:34,000
of guy that's just going to go

1099
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,520
running into a into a dark room uh

1100
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:39,440
with my hands in the air you know and

1101
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:40,560
and

1102
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,280
blindly because you bump into things i

1103
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:44,880
think we need to approach this like we

1104
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,040
do everything else very cautiously

1105
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,119
um you know we know the moon is right

1106
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,640
there but yet we don't just throw people

1107
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:52,480
in rockets and send them to the moon

1108
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:53,839
you know there's a lot that has to

1109
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:55,520
happen to to

1110
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,400
to to do that and i think to some degree

1111
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:00,240
this may be kind of similar

1112
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:03,280
in that uh you know there's

1113
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:06,160
there's we have to be very careful

1114
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:06,800
cautious

1115
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:10,320
and deliberate in uh how we

1116
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:12,560
we ask the questions and and the answers

1117
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:14,000
that we get back

1118
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:16,240
um we're it's very tempting for us to

1119
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:18,160
all go down the rabbit hole very quickly

1120
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:19,760
and think we have the answer

1121
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:21,920
i see it all the time and my word of

1122
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:22,960
caution to that is

1123
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:26,800
please please please try your best

1124
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:30,160
to to to be victim of your own analytic

1125
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:30,880
bias

1126
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,839
i look i i i suffer from it just like

1127
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:34,960
everybody else

1128
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,000
i'm no superhero i had the same same

1129
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,320
challenges when i when i see something i

1130
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:42,079
had this temptation to to jump to a

1131
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:43,680
conclusion oh it must be that

1132
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:45,040
and that's the way the human brain is

1133
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:47,119
wired that's a human thing

1134
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,800
the very first thing we do coming out of

1135
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:50,640
our mother's womb is recognizes

1136
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:52,640
we recognize her sound and her face and

1137
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:53,839
her touch we

1138
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:57,200
are programmed as a species to recognize

1139
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:59,920
patterns and identify friend or foe that

1140
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:00,320
is

1141
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:03,359
what nature has evolved us to be

1142
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:05,119
and so it's natural that when you come

1143
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:06,400
up to

1144
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:08,720
to an enigma like this and you get some

1145
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:09,520
answers

1146
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:11,119
that we want to jump to conclusions of

1147
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:13,040
what something is or is not

1148
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,240
but we really have to we have to be very

1149
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,160
careful and not be tempted

1150
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,720
to do that prematurely we really need to

1151
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:22,560
let the scientific

1152
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:25,680
process and methodologies work and

1153
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:28,160
and i think once we can do that we we

1154
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:29,119
may have some

1155
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:31,359
you know surprises some some

1156
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:32,560
surprisingly

1157
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:36,560
uh simple answers

1158
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:38,240
you've you've led me very nicely into

1159
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:39,680
this next question because i'm actually

1160
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:40,880
going to throw back at you

1161
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,839
a question you once asked on a piece

1162
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:45,119
you've done the youtube videos out there

1163
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:46,720
i'm not too sure of the context behind

1164
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:47,760
it but

1165
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,880
it was certainly something that stuck

1166
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:50,160
with me and a lot of other people as

1167
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,880
well

1168
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,560
and you asked once for people to

1169
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:54,800
consider what if it wasn't mankind

1170
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:57,280
but mankind's and what would that mean

1171
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:58,240
for us

1172
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:59,520
could you elaborate on that because

1173
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:01,280
that's something people go back to more

1174
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:02,160
and more

1175
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:04,880
and as more or less hypothetical that's

1176
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:06,160
what i'm going to put it as but

1177
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:08,320
people would assume you come from a

1178
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:09,760
better understanding a place of

1179
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:10,240
knowledge

1180
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:14,880
than most would um

1181
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:18,079
yeah wow uh

1182
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:19,839
well you're getting some really really

1183
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,720
good and personal questions um

1184
00:39:26,829 --> 00:39:24,560
let me see if i can answer that in a

1185
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:26,839
meaningful way without

1186
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:29,440
um

1187
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:37,510
we live in a three-dimensional world

1188
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:40,800
where time is a function of the fourth

1189
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:42,320
dimension if you will

1190
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:44,800
and we experience time as being linear

1191
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:47,280
it's a linear function or a process

1192
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:50,640
uh but we now know in the quantum world

1193
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:53,520
that time first of all we know that

1194
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,720
space and time

1195
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:56,160
because of the work of einstein and

1196
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,920
others that space and time are are

1197
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,040
joined together

1198
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:01,359
and we know that space time is flexible

1199
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:03,040
it's called relativity we see it around

1200
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,720
massive objects all the time not just

1201
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:07,200
earth but the sun black holes

1202
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:10,319
so the linear universe that

1203
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:13,520
we experience to some degree really

1204
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,079
isn't

1205
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:16,400
and when you look at the quantum state

1206
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:19,760
of things even an electron for example

1207
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,040
you learn in high school that an

1208
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:23,440
electron orbits an atom and we now know

1209
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:24,240
that's really

1210
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:25,920
a very simplistic way of looking at

1211
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:27,760
things that the electron doesn't orbit

1212
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:29,359
around the atom in fact it's called an

1213
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:30,960
electron cloud because

1214
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,319
the electron is is both all in all

1215
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,160
places and none of the places all at the

1216
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:38,800
same time it's it's kind of weird but

1217
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,319
my point being is that if you were to

1218
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:42,400
look at time and think of a

1219
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,800
think of a cigarette burning when you

1220
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,400
look at the notion of the future

1221
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:47,920
most people would would define the

1222
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:50,240
future as those events that have not yet

1223
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:51,040
happened

1224
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:53,119
and the past is defined by events that

1225
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,720
have already happened

1226
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,480
and when you look at that construct then

1227
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,079
the definition of the present

1228
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,960
must be a a moment in space time

1229
00:41:04,430 --> 00:41:02,640
probably measured in playing time very

1230
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:04,440
infinitesimal

1231
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,000
time

1232
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,400
where the future is transitioning into

1233
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:11,920
the past it's it's

1234
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:14,560
it's it's not a point in time it's a

1235
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:15,920
process it's an event

1236
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,839
that's occurring so a way to look at

1237
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:19,520
that in late perspective is think of a

1238
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:20,319
cigarette

1239
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:23,520
or a cigar that parts of this cigar that

1240
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:25,040
have already burnt or the cigarette that

1241
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,160
have already burnt the ash

1242
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,040
is the past that part of the cigarette

1243
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:31,359
or cigar that has not yet burned

1244
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:33,920
is the future and the cherry that moment

1245
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:35,200
of ignition

1246
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:38,079
that spark of where the future is now be

1247
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,319
getting consumed and becoming the past

1248
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:42,000
that is the present and we as human

1249
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,520
beings we live

1250
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:45,200
at that moment all of our hopes our

1251
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:47,200
fears our memories love hate good

1252
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,240
bad all that is an expression

1253
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,520
of of an experience that occurs uh

1254
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:56,000
at an infinitesimally small moment of

1255
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,800
space time

1256
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,319
like i said probably measured in playing

1257
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:00,640
time

1258
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:03,520
that is how we we we we experience the

1259
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:04,960
present but what if

1260
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:09,040
there were things that had the ability

1261
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:09,359
to

1262
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,680
experience where where the present was a

1263
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:12,960
much bigger

1264
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,480
transition where more elements of the

1265
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,000
future in the past

1266
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:21,119
are experienced as in the present and

1267
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:22,640
can do that also physically right

1268
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:25,920
so it's not just not just

1269
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:29,280
a an idea but what if there were

1270
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:31,599
species out there that that experienced

1271
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,640
the universe

1272
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:34,880
uh in it with it with an extra level of

1273
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,839
dimension

1274
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:37,200
and so you and i are having this

1275
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:38,480
conversation right now with your

1276
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:39,280
audience

1277
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,880
and we're having this conversation right

1278
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,720
here right now but if

1279
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:44,160
i were to have the ability to have this

1280
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:45,920
conversation right here but five minutes

1281
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:46,400
ago

1282
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,960
or five minutes from now we would never

1283
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,800
meet we'd be like two ships passing in

1284
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:51,839
the night

1285
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:54,400
um is it possible that maybe some of

1286
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:55,040
these things

1287
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:57,280
these uap have the ability uh we

1288
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,400
experience in them

1289
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:00,480
we we experience them when they are

1290
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:01,839
right here right now

1291
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:04,160
and every other every other time we we

1292
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:05,440
don't because we're simply not

1293
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:06,560
intersecting

1294
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:09,280
uh with that with that uh extra

1295
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:10,160
dimensional

1296
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,839
space of of time um you know when you

1297
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,599
look at that cigarette or cigar

1298
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:18,079
burning you'll notice that it never

1299
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:19,359
burns evenly

1300
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:21,040
when you look at it up close and you can

1301
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:22,800
kind of remove the glare and the flare

1302
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:23,200
from the

1303
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,680
there are portions of the future of the

1304
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:31,200
portions of the cigar

1305
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:34,079
that haven't burned yet uh behind

1306
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:35,839
portions of the cigar that already has

1307
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:36,480
burned

1308
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:40,079
it's it's not an even burn almost

1309
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:42,160
there's an overlap right and quantum

1310
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,359
theory uh

1311
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:45,280
is beginning to to show some of the

1312
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:46,560
models for that

1313
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:49,440
so um i know i'm going in a very

1314
00:43:52,829 --> 00:43:51,200
long-winded roundabout way to answer

1315
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,839
your question about what i meant about

1316
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:54,640
mankind's

1317
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:56,319
but i guess my answer to that is it's

1318
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,079
limitless we

1319
00:44:01,670 --> 00:44:01,200
every time we put a limitation on mother

1320
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:01,680
nature

1321
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:05,200
she defies our our box

1322
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,359
she defies the parameters for which we

1323
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:09,119
set every time we say every living thing

1324
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:09,920
needs

1325
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,079
water or oxygen we realize that there

1326
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,160
are our

1327
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:16,640
microbial life out there that that are

1328
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:17,359
anaerobic

1329
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:18,880
they in fact they'll die if you put

1330
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:21,520
oxygen they they like a non-oxidated

1331
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:22,079
environment

1332
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,839
right you have these extremophiles

1333
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:25,680
living at the bottom of the ocean

1334
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:29,200
and and and miles below the the arctic

1335
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:30,560
ice

1336
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,920
this defies any any definition of life

1337
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:35,599
in fact a virus itself

1338
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:38,960
in one case you can make the

1339
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:41,680
the i think you can make the claim that

1340
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:43,200
it is a living organism because it

1341
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,319
replicates

1342
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:46,480
and it does a lot of things that a

1343
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:48,079
living organism does

1344
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,760
but it also can be defined as a

1345
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:53,599
non-living thing because it doesn't have

1346
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:56,079
dna and it doesn't have a lot of the

1347
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:56,640
things

1348
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:59,680
that we clearly associate associate with

1349
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:00,720
a living organism

1350
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:04,319
like respiratory functions right like uh

1351
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:07,280
anabolic activity so i think we need to

1352
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:09,280
be very cautious how we define

1353
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:13,040
life a long time ago we used to defy

1354
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:17,520
define life uh as mammals birds and fish

1355
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,440
well you know that's probably a very

1356
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:21,920
over simplistic view of what life is

1357
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,720
we're spending billions of dollars

1358
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:26,720
through nasa trying to find microbial

1359
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,000
life right now

1360
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,920
on some of our our planets in our own

1361
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,680
solar system and moons

1362
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,760
because it is it is it we think that

1363
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:35,440
there's a very good possibility that

1364
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,800
exists

1365
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:38,400
seti does the same thing with radio

1366
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:40,480
transmissions trying to find

1367
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,280
a signature of life out there and what

1368
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,880
we're beginning to find out it that

1369
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:47,280
it is more likely than not that there is

1370
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:48,640
life out there

1371
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:52,079
and that life might be fairly abundant

1372
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,520
um so uh boy

1373
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:57,839
um that's one hell of a question you

1374
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,640
asked me

1375
00:46:02,069 --> 00:46:00,560
well that was one hell of an answer and

1376
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:02,079
just given the answer of giving is

1377
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,760
i want to actually finish off this

1378
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:05,040
portion of the interview with the time

1379
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,160
we have left to try and get some

1380
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:08,480
listener questions in soon as well

1381
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:10,240
talking a little bit about your past and

1382
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,680
actually the future as well

1383
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:13,359
as well knowing you resigned from your

1384
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,960
position at a tip

1385
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,400
that was to try and push forward this

1386
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:18,160
conversation to the by the public

1387
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,599
a lot of people including myself would

1388
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:21,599
thank you for doing that i would like to

1389
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:22,000
know

1390
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,920
how it made you feel having to resign

1391
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:25,200
from that position

1392
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:26,560
that's not something i've heard anyone

1393
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,800
ask you before

1394
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:30,319
well it was the toughest toughest

1395
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:38,630
it was my you know there's there's

1396
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:41,440
two components that that make up luis

1397
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:44,400
elizondo there is the private component

1398
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:47,680
uh as a family family man and a father

1399
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:50,800
and then there is my my other component

1400
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,200
that i

1401
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:53,680
feel for me as as as a patriot to my

1402
00:47:04,230 --> 00:46:54,800
country

1403
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:07,190
i'm sorry i apologize that's okay that's

1404
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:08,319
okay

1405
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,920
that wasn't deliberate i promise no i

1406
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:12,240
know what you know i i

1407
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:15,680
i i believe in a life of service

1408
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:18,160
um i believe in leaving this country and

1409
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,680
this world in a little bit better shape

1410
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,119
than you found it

1411
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:23,359
and uh you know i don't expect everybody

1412
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:24,240
to feel that way

1413
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:26,079
just to me i do because of the way i was

1414
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:27,599
brought up and my my

1415
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:29,440
the the struggles my family had to go

1416
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:30,960
through even just to be in this country

1417
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:32,079
so

1418
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:40,640
sincere and and uh profound

1419
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:43,760
commitment i have and so when i left the

1420
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:47,040
government you know

1421
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:49,599
in one hand i felt like i was abandoning

1422
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:52,079
the very establishment

1423
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:54,079
that that i was committed to to serve

1424
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,119
the american people

1425
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,599
you know by de facto i felt like i was

1426
00:48:02,630 --> 00:47:59,839
abandoning the american people because i

1427
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:02,640
was doing jobs that were very important

1428
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:04,000
for the government and for the american

1429
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:05,200
people

1430
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,880
but in order to serve the american

1431
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:08,559
people i actually had to leave the

1432
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:10,400
organization that i love to do it

1433
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:13,520
in order to i realized that i'm going to

1434
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,040
have to make a choice do i serve the

1435
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:16,880
institution that i belong to

1436
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,079
or do i serve the american people and i

1437
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:22,400
realized that that in order to serve the

1438
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,160
american people i would have to leave

1439
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,480
the organization the institution

1440
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:28,480
that i was serving to serve the american

1441
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:29,599
people

1442
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:32,880
um it was extremely tough for me

1443
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,760
um it's you know uh you can't see this

1444
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:37,920
but on my desk i have all these

1445
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:39,520
around my office here my moment you know

1446
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:41,119
i'll show you just for a quick second

1447
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:42,960
give your audience a quick tour here i

1448
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:44,319
don't do this very often but

1449
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:46,640
uh let me see if i can do this for a

1450
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:47,359
second

1451
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:50,800
um you can see very quickly uh

1452
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:54,240
a lot of my

1453
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,920
my life is in these walls and uh

1454
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,920
you know it's it's part of part of who i

1455
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:02,240
am and uh to

1456
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,440
to leave that is very was very

1457
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:07,040
challenging was very tough

1458
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:12,630
i mean i don't know what else to say

1459
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:15,040
it's uh well with that action

1460
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:16,480
that that you took and it was a big

1461
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:18,160
decision that affected your life your

1462
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,520
family your future

1463
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:21,440
you started a sequence of events and a

1464
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,640
ball rolling which

1465
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,000
you'll be you're more than humble enough

1466
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,920
to see other people were heavily

1467
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:27,440
involved in with you as well

1468
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:30,400
so we are now counting down 144 days as

1469
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:32,720
of recording uh my co-host dan got that

1470
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:33,359
for me

1471
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:36,160
to seeing a declassified report from the

1472
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,599
uap task force

1473
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:39,440
you have spoken several times now that

1474
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:40,640
we're in good hands with those

1475
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:41,920
overseeing this

1476
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,160
why should people be excited about the

1477
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,240
report coming out but also beyond that

1478
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:48,319
what can we expect to come from the task

1479
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:54,549
okay great question um let me let me try

1480
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:55,280
to get you

1481
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,400
a a a comprehensive and meaningful

1482
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:00,480
response

1483
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:04,960
uh i think it is a

1484
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:08,160
tremendous accomplishment that uh

1485
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:09,920
congress has asked the director of

1486
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:12,480
national intelligence for a 180

1487
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,760
180 day report um

1488
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:18,079
it it shows that there is commitment and

1489
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,520
interest by congress

1490
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:21,119
and that there's a willingness by the

1491
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:22,720
executive branch of the government

1492
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:25,359
so that's that that is a win scenario

1493
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:26,640
right there

1494
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:30,240
the question is a is 180 days long

1495
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,359
enough

1496
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,680
to provide a comprehensive report that

1497
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,200
congress deserves

1498
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:37,040
and two will all the relevant

1499
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,400
information be in there

1500
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,640
in order for congress to make informed

1501
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:41,839
decisions

1502
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:45,760
um if it was up to me

1503
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:48,079
i would probably request a 180-day

1504
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:49,760
extension now i know people right now

1505
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:51,200
are going to be probably

1506
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,440
lining up with pitchforks wanting to uh

1507
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:55,440
to burn my house down

1508
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,280
but as i've said before there's a

1509
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:59,680
difference between doing something right

1510
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:02,079
and doing it right now and i prefer we

1511
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,680
got one shot to do this right

1512
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:06,480
so uh we've come this far we we've

1513
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,079
waited this long

1514
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,640
i you know i i wouldn't be opposed to a

1515
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:12,400
to a little bit longer just to make sure

1516
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:13,119
that

1517
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:14,960
we get it right there's a lot happening

1518
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,480
between covid

1519
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:18,079
of course the pandemic and then of

1520
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:20,000
course we have a new administration

1521
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:21,599
coming in and they're trying to

1522
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:22,880
get their feet on the ground the

1523
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:25,200
transition process takes at least 180

1524
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:26,000
days

1525
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,480
uh and of course we still have you know

1526
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:30,319
our regular jobs trying to protect this

1527
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:31,200
country

1528
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:35,520
so um you know i'm not sure

1529
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:38,880
i'm not sure as you say now 144 days

1530
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:42,160
is is is long enough i'm not sure that

1531
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:43,440
we have

1532
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:47,040
a a an adequate structure within a task

1533
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,440
force

1534
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:49,920
to answer the mail on that i think what

1535
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:51,920
we need is a permanent capability

1536
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:55,520
not just a task force uh that is that is

1537
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:58,160
properly resourced with with the right

1538
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:59,200
talent

1539
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:01,280
uh and and the right authorities to do

1540
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:02,640
what it needs to look the people the

1541
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:03,920
task force are amazing human beings

1542
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:04,800
they're friends of mine

1543
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:07,839
dear friends i'll go to combat tomorrow

1544
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:08,319
with them

1545
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,839
given an impossible task

1546
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,359
they've been in to some degree the same

1547
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:17,200
task that i was given

1548
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:20,240
uh when i was in at it's it's

1549
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:24,079
it's it's not enough

1550
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:25,839
you can't expect just a handful of

1551
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:28,319
people to provide this information that

1552
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,400
has historically been been sitting with

1553
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:32,400
within 17 different intelligence

1554
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:33,440
agencies

1555
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:36,319
uh in various little pockets and

1556
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:37,359
enclaves

1557
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:40,480
for decades i mean it takes longer to

1558
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:41,920
build a house

1559
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:44,640
than it does to in this case than 180

1560
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:46,160
days and we're expecting

1561
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:48,800
a a comprehensive government whole

1562
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:50,319
government approach to this to this

1563
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:51,520
topic

1564
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:54,240
um you know if to me if you were to ask

1565
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:55,760
me i think i think the task force is

1566
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:56,960
being set up for failure

1567
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:58,319
and not by congress and i don't think

1568
00:53:01,510 --> 00:53:00,559
it's deliberate i think i think we need

1569
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:01,520
to take a step back

1570
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:04,160
and i think we really need to to assess

1571
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:06,160
what is it we're trying to achieve

1572
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:07,839
and then let's set up these people for

1573
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:09,680
success you know if we really want the

1574
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:10,800
right answers well

1575
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:15,280
then we got to be prepared to to

1576
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:17,119
to give them the necessary resources to

1577
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:18,400
do this

1578
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:20,480
otherwise you know all you're doing is

1579
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:22,000
setting up a bunch of patriots for

1580
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,960
failure and

1581
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,200
and and putting frustration into the

1582
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,119
system

1583
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:29,119
lou just to get a couple of lister

1584
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:30,720
questions and i've got one more question

1585
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:31,520
for you

1586
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:33,280
if you're part and all of this ended

1587
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:40,710
you know i wish well i wish my part

1588
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:42,079
would end tomorrow

1589
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:46,000
um i'm pretty tired i'm pretty tired

1590
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,599
i've you know i don't know how much more

1591
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:51,599
i can i can really give i've given

1592
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:53,359
you know my life savings to this and

1593
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:54,720
i've given

1594
00:54:02,069 --> 00:53:58,319
my relationships to this um

1595
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:02,079
you know uh would i be satisfied

1596
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:05,040
um i haven't had the opportunity or the

1597
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:08,160
luxury to sit back and really

1598
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:10,079
relish in the accomplishments we've

1599
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,599
we've collectively achieved

1600
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:13,920
so uh i've been too focused on the

1601
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:14,800
mission

1602
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:16,880
um i will say something that's been very

1603
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:19,280
heartfelt um

1604
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,880
i shared this with some very close

1605
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:23,040
friends of mine i was looking on twitter

1606
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:23,520
and some

1607
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:26,559
some people in an incredible uh

1608
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:28,720
gesture of kindness offered to set up a

1609
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:30,079
um

1610
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:31,839
a gofundme page or something like that

1611
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:32,960
where they were going to you know

1612
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,319
contribute because

1613
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:36,000
i guess the cat's gotten out of the bag

1614
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,160
that i've i've

1615
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:40,880
put my life savings into this because

1616
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,240
you know it's it's a

1617
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:44,480
it's an endeavor that doesn't make money

1618
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:45,839
you know if you're looking to make money

1619
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:47,599
this is not the topic to pursue at least

1620
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:48,880
not right now

1621
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,559
um my i i am truly

1622
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:54,400
profoundly humbled by that gesture but

1623
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,000
let me also say this

1624
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:59,040
if you want to honor what what i what

1625
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:00,720
what i'm doing you want to honor any

1626
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:03,440
sacrifice that i've made in this

1627
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:06,160
don't spend money on me take that money

1628
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,359
that you have

1629
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:09,839
take your your your wife your husband

1630
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:11,440
your boyfriend your girlfriends your

1631
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:12,400
kids

1632
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:14,720
take them to a dinner spend time with

1633
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:15,839
them

1634
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:19,359
and and just connect and and and be a

1635
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,240
family

1636
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:22,160
um you want to honor me that would be

1637
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:23,839
the the best

1638
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:25,760
best way to honor me don't don't don't

1639
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:27,359
set anything up for me

1640
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:30,079
you know i i i can i can go work at a

1641
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:31,440
supermarket if i need to

1642
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:34,079
i gotta return wrenches right i can i

1643
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:34,960
can

1644
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:38,319
fix cars um this journey is not about me

1645
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:39,520
it's about the collect of

1646
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:43,200
all of us uh i i would be i would be

1647
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:45,440
much happier if you were to to save your

1648
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:46,640
hard-earned money

1649
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:50,000
and and you know uh

1650
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:52,319
go to a nice dinner with your family and

1651
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:53,680
and talk about things that are important

1652
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:55,280
maybe talk about uaps

1653
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:58,000
right that'd be a great way yeah my kids

1654
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:59,359
like lying on the trampoline looking at

1655
00:56:01,349 --> 00:56:00,960
the stars and they're they're foreign

1656
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:01,359
two

1657
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:03,280
and they've got their little toilet roll

1658
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,480
holders they've got they've made for

1659
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:06,400
binoculars to pretend to look for aliens

1660
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:07,280
so

1661
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:08,400
they're on the way to carry on that

1662
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,960
conversation look so many people you're

1663
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:12,400
a very popular character and i know

1664
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,680
that's something you tend to shy away

1665
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:15,520
from the attention that you get as well

1666
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:16,559
you don't crave it

1667
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:18,000
which i think draws a lot of people to

1668
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:19,599
you as well unfortunately

1669
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:21,200
so many people wrote in with questions

1670
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:22,559
i've just like to put a couple of those

1671
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:23,520
to you and then a

1672
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:26,480
60-second quick fire and craig labadie

1673
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:28,000
mentioned during your recent interview

1674
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:29,680
with john greenwald you mentioned there

1675
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:30,400
were certain

1676
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:32,400
certain videos that had blown your mind

1677
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,480
you talked about doing mental gymnastics

1678
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:36,319
to work out how a particular object

1679
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:37,839
have could have done the maneuvers it

1680
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,160
done so his question for you

1681
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:42,079
are those types of videos and that type

1682
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:44,799
of data held by multiple governments

1683
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,040
is that rare or is that data more common

1684
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,960
than one might think

1685
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:50,319
i think you'll be surprised that that

1686
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:55,190
the problem is there were never really

1687
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:57,119
any mechanisms to do anything with that

1688
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:57,520
data

1689
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:00,640
so they are they are in in

1690
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:03,920
um bits and pieces if you will uh

1691
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,480
throughout uh different governments but

1692
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:08,319
uh yeah there's some very

1693
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:11,359
there's some very compelling data um you

1694
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,799
know in some cases

1695
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:14,400
you get these things 50 feet away from

1696
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:17,119
the cockpit i mean that's

1697
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:18,319
at that point there ain't no question

1698
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:21,599
what you're looking at um so

1699
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:23,119
i have to ask you this one from doug

1700
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:25,440
campbell regarding something i read or

1701
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:27,280
heard possibly on a podcast

1702
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:29,359
um it stated at one point that you had

1703
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:31,520
considered being a psychic spy

1704
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:33,920
is that at all true and have you ever

1705
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:40,950
damn uh you know how

1706
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:44,000
how put off and i are are good friends

1707
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:47,680
um hal and his colleagues were involved

1708
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:49,280
in some remarkable stuff

1709
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:52,480
uh um project stargate

1710
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:54,400
before that grill flame and whatnot it's

1711
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:55,520
no surprise that the

1712
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:57,520
department of the army and at some point

1713
00:58:03,030 --> 00:57:59,920
the defense intelligence agency

1714
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:03,040
were were involved in that effort um

1715
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:07,119
i uh i i'm not going to elaborate

1716
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:10,240
um great question uh maybe maybe for

1717
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:11,440
some other time

1718
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,640
i like that one too and the last

1719
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:14,319
listener question sorry to everyone who

1720
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:15,760
i didn't get to hopefully the body of

1721
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:17,359
the interview answered some as well

1722
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:18,799
but like lou said hopefully comes back

1723
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:20,400
one day to answer some more

1724
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:22,799
uh leif asked was there any particular

1725
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:24,400
reason that the three videos that were

1726
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:26,799
released to gimbal go fast and flare

1727
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:28,319
were the ones that were chosen to be

1728
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:30,319
released

1729
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:33,920
yes good answer i won't probe you

1730
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:35,119
further on that i feel that would be a

1731
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,720
bit fruitless uh listen

1732
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:38,799
quick fire round before we let you go a

1733
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:40,400
couple of topics and subjects we've not

1734
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:42,079
managed to talk about yet or talk too

1735
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,799
much on

1736
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:44,640
you can say a word a couple of words in

1737
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:46,000
a sentence it's up to you

1738
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:50,319
the first one is skin walker wrench

1739
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:54,079
um a very

1740
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:02,470
i have the utmost respect for the men

1741
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,760
and women that were involved in that

1742
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:05,520
project

1743
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:09,119
next one is bob lazar i've never met the

1744
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:10,160
gentleman

1745
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:13,359
i have no comment either way i

1746
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:16,480
i have absolutely

1747
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:19,520
zero interaction with mr lazar as

1748
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,079
a human being uh both personally and

1749
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:24,160
professionally so therefore i i

1750
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:26,000
i reserve my comment because i simply

1751
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:27,920
don't i don't have an opinion i'm not

1752
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:30,079
i don't have an opinion either way and

1753
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:31,839
i'm just keeping it to myself i truly

1754
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:33,520
don't have an opinion it's never been

1755
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:40,549
if it works it works if it doesn't it

1756
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,440
doesn't i have a hard problem

1757
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:45,599
personal problem with with anybody

1758
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:46,559
charging for

1759
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:49,680
for for services uh

1760
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:53,040
you know it's it's uh for me um

1761
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:55,200
this is not a money-making endeavor i

1762
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:56,160
think i think

1763
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:59,040
we pervert the truth when we do make it

1764
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:00,640
a money-making endeavor

1765
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:04,240
i think um all sorts of things

1766
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:06,720
get introduced into the mix when this

1767
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:07,760
becomes about

1768
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,680
profit and that's with anybody

1769
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:13,599
you know i i'm not saying you have to

1770
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:14,720
starve and and

1771
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:17,760
you know but but profiting off of other

1772
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:18,240
people

1773
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:21,119
in search for the truth i find

1774
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:22,160
despicable

1775
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,960
um you know that's one of the reasons

1776
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:26,400
why i don't really do entertainment i

1777
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:27,119
prefer doing

1778
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:28,880
infotainment and i don't mind

1779
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,799
information being entertaining

1780
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:32,160
but entertainment for the sake of

1781
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:34,559
entertainment i'm that's not me i'm not

1782
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:35,599
an entertainer

1783
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:39,440
i i want to help inform um

1784
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:41,680
i think uh you know there are a lot of

1785
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:42,960
as i said before hucksters and

1786
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:44,319
fraudsters out there

1787
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:47,040
and it's coming to light and you know

1788
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:48,480
people are there's some savvy

1789
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:50,079
investigators now or that are hot on the

1790
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:51,520
trail of some of these individuals who

1791
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:52,880
spent the last

1792
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:55,280
several years if not decades defrauding

1793
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:56,079
people

1794
01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:59,599
and uh you know all i gotta say is uh

1795
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:01,520
you know sucks to be you you shouldn't

1796
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:02,960
have done that shame on you

1797
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,079
um you know the truth

1798
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:08,880
i i said this years ago you know there's

1799
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:09,760
something

1800
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:16,789
the truth she sometimes whispers

1801
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:19,200
so you have to listen carefully but if

1802
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:20,960
but but she

1803
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:23,040
she always speaks and ultimately the

1804
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:24,559
truth always comes out

1805
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:27,760
so uh my advice would be for anybody if

1806
01:01:32,069 --> 01:01:29,920
if you're into ce5

1807
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:32,079
if that's a real thing then great and i

1808
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:33,280
would ask that you'd be able to

1809
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:34,319
demonstrate it

1810
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:36,000
in front of a camera in front of a large

1811
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:37,359
audience um

1812
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:39,280
and repeat it right scientific method

1813
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,040
make it make it repeatable and something

1814
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:43,440
that can be peer reviewed otherwise

1815
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:46,480
it's just your opinion i would ask does

1816
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:52,830
well well uh

1817
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:01,029
how about you tell me abigail mankind

1818
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:04,720
that's with plural with the s uh i think

1819
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:06,960
i i think i think i would too i think

1820
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:07,839
that's

1821
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:09,200
and louie to finish up the show

1822
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:10,640
appreciating your time what does

1823
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:12,720
disclosure mean to you

1824
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:17,280
ah well

1825
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:20,160
i think we'll know it when we see it uh

1826
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:21,440
i think we're in the process of

1827
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:22,880
disclosure right now i think in five

1828
01:02:25,029 --> 01:02:24,000
years when we look back we're going to

1829
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:25,039
realize we're in the middle of

1830
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:25,760
disclosure

1831
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:29,839
it's not an event

1832
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:33,359
um i think uh

1833
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:36,720
disclosure means a a willingness to

1834
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:40,079
recognize the truth

1835
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:48,150
facts in a way that is transparent

1836
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:51,440
and open for all people to participate

1837
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:52,160
in

1838
01:03:01,510 --> 01:02:58,559
just one government not just one country

1839
01:03:02,789 --> 01:03:01,520
everybody and i think that is what

1840
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:02,799
disclosure is about

1841
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:04,720
it's the recognition that the earth is

1842
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:07,119
not at the center of the solar system

1843
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:10,079
and you know sometimes it's it's hard to

1844
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:11,119
tell that truth

1845
01:03:15,029 --> 01:03:13,680
in the beginning but ultimately it

1846
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:15,039
becomes self-evident

1847
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:18,000
and i think we are in that process now i

1848
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:19,039
think we are

1849
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:20,799
in the throes of realizing that the

1850
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:22,319
earth is not in the center

1851
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:25,440
of our solar system um

1852
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:27,039
and again with that i think there's

1853
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:28,480
there's a lot of hope i think there's a

1854
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:29,440
lot of

1855
01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:32,400
opportunity there but let's not jump to

1856
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:33,280
conclusions

1857
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:36,240
you know let's let's maintain the course

1858
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:37,119
of being

1859
01:03:43,510 --> 01:03:40,319
diligent and deliberate methodical uh

1860
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:43,520
and and you know open-minded to to the

1861
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:44,720
best of our ability

1862
01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:47,839
while trying to maintain um

1863
01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:50,000
our our dedication to the scientific

1864
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:51,680
process

1865
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:53,920
lou it's been an honor genuinely and a

1866
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:55,599
pleasure speaking to you

1867
01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:56,799
and i look forward to the day i can

1868
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:58,240
welcome you back on again for that

1869
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:59,520
second part

1870
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:01,680
anytime i will tell you this is a true

1871
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:03,280
true pleasure for me i want to answer

1872
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:05,200
one question for you that you haven't

1873
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:05,760
asked

1874
01:04:10,230 --> 01:04:07,119
but i know some of your viewers are

1875
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:10,240
asking why am i doing these podcasts

1876
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:13,039
why am i is there an attempt by me is

1877
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:14,559
there a media blitz that i'm involved

1878
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:16,160
with in order to

1879
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:19,839
achieve something well the answer is yes

1880
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:23,200
and that yes is that um

1881
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:25,920
part of phase two from my opinion is

1882
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:27,440
getting the word out to anybody and

1883
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:28,799
everybody as you know i don't make a

1884
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:29,760
penny doing these

1885
01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:31,680
i don't charge anybody i don't get an

1886
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:33,599
appearance fee for doing this

1887
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:35,760
it takes a lot of time on my day but i

1888
01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:38,160
do it because it's important

1889
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:40,079
i do it because it is making a

1890
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,680
difference we're finally having the

1891
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:43,680
conversation and even if you disagree

1892
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:44,880
with my perspective

1893
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:46,799
it's okay because the conversation is

1894
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:48,799
still happening even if you don't agree

1895
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:49,839
with with

1896
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:51,520
how i'm doing things and the way we're

1897
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:53,359
doing things that's still good

1898
01:04:56,549 --> 01:04:54,559
that's okay because you don't have to

1899
01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:56,559
agree with me you don't have to

1900
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:59,680
be in my camp or my team

1901
01:05:03,670 --> 01:05:01,359
i don't need that i just need you having

1902
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:03,680
the conversation and it's happening

1903
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:06,640
so uh you know my hats off really to you

1904
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:08,640
and to your listeners thank you for what

1905
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:09,599
you do

1906
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:12,559
uh thank you for what your listeners uh

1907
01:05:14,470 --> 01:05:12,880
do

1908
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:14,480
taking time out of their day when they

1909
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:16,160
probably should be doing something

1910
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:19,440
uh you know productive um for their

1911
01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:20,880
family or for their work and instead

1912
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,319
they're taking the time

1913
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:24,480
to listen to this podcast uh maybe these

1914
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:26,000
people are just getting off work right

1915
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:27,200
and they're tired and

1916
01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:28,880
and want to make dinner for themselves

1917
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:30,720
but instead they're they're listening

1918
01:05:34,789 --> 01:05:32,400
into this podcast you know thank you

1919
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:34,799
thank you for doing that this is this is

1920
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:36,000
a mutual conversation

1921
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:38,640
i get just as much out of this dialogue

1922
01:05:41,829 --> 01:05:40,480
as you and your listeners do i assure

1923
01:05:43,910 --> 01:05:41,839
you

1924
01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:43,920
that is all for this week's show thank

1925
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:45,599
you very much for listening

1926
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:47,440
please remember to leave the podcast

1927
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:49,520
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1928
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:52,319
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1929
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:54,240
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1930
01:05:57,750 --> 01:05:55,680
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1931
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:57,760
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1932
01:06:02,390 --> 01:05:59,760
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1933
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:02,400
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1934
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:03,680
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1935
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:05,920
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1936
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:08,079
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1937
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:11,920
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1938
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:14,000
and again folks as always keep looking

1939
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:44,829
it was

1940
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:46,710
is

1941
01:06:51,200 --> 01:07:13,910
medicine again

1942
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:15,190
there was something on my head and